I’m going to share an edited version of the conversation I had with an abortionist over Twitter. Twitter isn’t the best format for these kinds of conversation. So, I have edited my statements to be clearer and left his alone. I also was asked to remove his name and he is fine with being referred to as Beta-Male from now on. The original conversation can be found here:

And to be clear, I can’t get pregnant at all. Neither can you. Only a woman can get pregnant. What does she need for that to happen? A man to ejaculate into her vagina. It’s not going to happen without that. The man who does that is responsible for the pregnancy.

TheSire:

It probably the case that women should start wanting their children and become good mothers instead of murderers. That is another option. The morally superior option because to imply women are not responsible for their sexual activities is ridiculous.

Secondly, you conflate causal categories with moral categories. It doesn’t always follow that if you’re casually responsible that you’re morally culpable.

Third, why suppose he is culpable for anything given your worldview? Isn’t he simply a byproduct of evolution? He is biologically determined to act that way.

Beta-Male:

No. The morally right option is for the man to not impregnate the woman when she doesn’t want to be pregnant. Men are the cause of all abortions. Every baby murdered is their fault.

TheSire:

That’s hardly self-evident. What if he uses protection and it fails? How is he faulty? What if she agrees to have unprotected sex? That imply she voluntarily acquired that risk by participating in those activities.

Secondly, you’ve conceded the mother is murdering her child. So, the real statement here is that you’re in favor of a women’s right to murder their children.

Ironically, the people that benefit most from abortion laws are men.

Beta-Male:

I have no problem with people sleeping with whoever they want. I just think pregnancy should be kept for when people want to be pregnant. I think men should be implanted with a chemical birth control, that can only be removed when a woman consents to becoming pregnant by him,

You also need to provide an argument for your belief. For the same reasons of being uninteresting.

TheSire:

I believe women should be forced to give birth to their children. So, telling me what you think isn’t interesting unless with an argument

My argument was provided in the article I linked you:

http://spirited-tech.com/COG/2019/05/25/the-pro-life-catalogue/

I think it is rather obvious when you conceded that mothers murder human babies earlier that abortionist are doing something they ought not to be doing. Unless you maintain murder is morally acceptable there is nothing else to say.

Beta-Male:

A man is obligated to not impregnate a woman, who doesn’t want to be pregnant, IF he is against women having abortions. That’s pretty obvious. If he is okay with abortion, it’s more of a grey area, but still probably better that he didn’t inflict a medical procedure on a woman.

TheSire:

A man’s not obligated to not impregnate a woman. If the women allows for unprotected sex then it’s her fault. If the protection fails, then it isn’t his fault. A man’s obligated to try not getting the woman pregnant. If he goes through the precautions then it’s hard to see it as his fault. The logic of your entire case can be reversed. If women didn’t engage in sexual activities with men, then no unwanted pregnancies would have occurred. Therefore women are only culpable for the child.

Beta-Male:

So the man is never responsible for a pregnancy?

TheSire:

On my worldview, parents are obligated to their children. That implies the mother is obligated to her children aswell. Are fathers culpable for unwanted children? If a child is unwanted, then can the mother kill it?

Why suppose a man is ever responsible for anything on your worldview? If a mother isn’t obligated to the unborn baby, then it seems inconsistent to make three father culpable.